southsamurai

Besides your list? Matrix via element or elementX. I’ve been test driving arcane chat, which is decent enough, but too new to be widely used enough to really say much.

I don’t disagree tbh.

However, in terms of ui/ux it is still the closest comparison that’s not wholly dominated by capital drives. Things like WhatsApp have better ui, but I don’t think anyone remotely interested in things like signal would use those at all if not forced to it.

Right now, matrix, arcane chat, xmpp, and similar options are better than signal under the hood (supposedly, I don’t have the knowledge base to verify for myself), but the ui is anywhere from outdated to outright horrible.

I’ve heard that from some code minded folks before though, so I don’t think you’re wrong. ElementX is better than regular element in that regard already. Been a while since I tried anything else since I only have one person that I communicate regularly with on there. Everyone else is more sporadic, so I haven’t had as much impetus to keep up on apps as much as I used to.

Yeah, it really sucks that the closest feature parity and ui/ux parity in messengers is proprietary services.

Even signal isn’t there. Mind you, they can’t offer all the same options by virtue of prioritizing encryption as the default, not afaik, with things like the easier syncing of messages.

I like matrix and it’s various apps fine overall, but they are definitely behind in polish and usability features. They just aren’t great as a primary messaging option. That’s ignoring the difficulty of onboarding people, which is tangential to this, but still relevant since it doesn’t matter how great a messenger is if you can’t use it with anyone. Since the lack of features and ui/ux issues prevent onboarding, it’s a real problem.

Everything is a balancing act. Privacy, anonymity, and security aren’t the same things. They’re sometimes, and in some aspects always, difficult to achieve without compromising one of the other two.

When you add in the goal of quick, easy setup to make the service useful in the first place. Doesn’t matter how good the service is at the trinity if nobody is willing to use it. Signal just errs on security first, privacy second, anonymity third.

Eh, I get the rule. On the surface, it seems stupid because the subject of rom options is pretty integral to privacy

However, discussion of roms tends to always devolve into what amounts to fanboyism at some point. You end up with a lot of “yeah, but” and “but they are/aren’t” that covers the same ground every single time, and users have to wade through the bullshit to get to anything useful.

It’s the same conversation every time, so you reach a point where it’s better to just outright ban rom/os so that other issues aren’t drowned by that.

It’s damned if you don’t damned if you do, there’s no good choice, so you make the choice that’s less hassle on average

It looks more like she’s saying that the tweet about Applebaum is less important, not the article about him